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i think carrie reed has problems from new york like dianne feinstein of california, and 250 will be a big pill to swallow. this is a fiscal cliff that we can have 50 days, 6days down the road. it does not fix the problem if you will have these taxes on $250,000 and above. as rich edson said, this is going to be another deadline in congress has to have. i think everyone needs to get comfortable with the fact that we are going to have these kinds of stopgap last-second deals. gerri: okay, let's get tyler in here too, are republican strategist. is there any common ground can be found here? i mean, this seems to me like a last-ditch effort. let me tell you what it when it was announced today that there was going to be a meeting at 3:00 o'clock from expectations went through the roof. i think people thought something really big was going to happen at the end of the day. the president is saying that he is modestly optimistic. maybe you would be something by december 31. what do you make of it? >> he is modestly optimistic about no new chang here. you know, the country needs a leader. no mat
i think carrie reed has problems from new york like dianne feinstein of california, and 250 will be a big pill to swallow. this is a fiscal cliff that we can have 50 days, 6days down the road. it does not fix the problem if you will have these taxes on $250,000 and above. as rich edson said, this is going to be another deadline in congress has to have. i think everyone needs to get comfortable with the fact that we are going to have these kinds of stopgap last-second deals. gerri: okay, let's...
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we'll cover a lot of ground when we sit down with two leading senators: democrat dianne feinstein and republican lindsay graham. also with 2012 in the rearview mirror we look ahead to 2013. our sunday panel weighs in on what we'll be talking about in the coming year. all, right now, on fox news sunday. ♪ >> chris: and hello, again from fox news in washington. well, it turns out the fiscal cliff is going to be a cliff-hanger. with less than two days until the new year, senate leaders are still trying to work out a deal, to avoid tax increases on almost every american. but, any compromise will do close to nothing about our debt problem. joining us now, to discuss what kind of deal they will and won't vote for, are two key senators, democrat dianne feinstein and republican lindsey graham. senators, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you. >> good morning. >> chris: senator graham, a couple of days ago you said you thought we were going to go over the fiscal cliff and now we are in the midst of a lot of last-ditch bargaining between the senate leaders, reid and mcconnell, what are
we'll cover a lot of ground when we sit down with two leading senators: democrat dianne feinstein and republican lindsay graham. also with 2012 in the rearview mirror we look ahead to 2013. our sunday panel weighs in on what we'll be talking about in the coming year. all, right now, on fox news sunday. ♪ >> chris: and hello, again from fox news in washington. well, it turns out the fiscal cliff is going to be a cliff-hanger. with less than two days until the new year, senate leaders are...
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a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much we will get to that and much let's give thanks - for an idea. a grand idea called america. the idea that if you work hard, if you have a dream, if you work with your neighbors... you can do most anything. this led to other ideas like lerty and rock 'n' roll. to free markets, free enterprise, and free refills. it put a man on the moon and a phone in your pocket. our country's gone through a lot over the centuries and a half. but this idea isn't fragile. when times get tough, it rallies us as one. every day, more people believe in the american idea and when they do, the dream comes true. we're grateful to be a part of it. we go! we're gonna make some juice! woman: it's gonna be good! she's excited. little bit of kale. please don't put this online. woman: i'm putting it all over the line! it's wet. it needs something. no, it'll go. woman: don't break my j
a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much we will get to that and much let's give thanks - for an idea. a grand idea called america. the idea that if you work hard, if you have a dream, if you work with your neighbors... you can do most anything. this led to other ideas like lerty and rock 'n' roll. to...
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a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much >> sean: as president obama continues to place the blame on congressional leaders for the looming fiscal cliff disaster. the president seems to be he okay with this happening. why? because if obama stood up and showed real leadership there be consequences for him. this could impact the radical agenda he plans to put forth in a second term. senator john kerry awaits his confirmation hearings to begin and republicans are saying not so fast and demanding current secretary of state hillary clinton testify on benghazi before any confirmation hearings begin. joining me with reaction to all this and much more is former new mexico governor bill richardson. thanks for being with us. happy new year. >> thank you, sean. >> sean: governor, we have actually been friendly over the years. you and i have gotten along. i remember i have been out to your estate and you
a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much >> sean: as president obama continues to place the blame on congressional leaders for the looming fiscal cliff disaster. the president seems to be he okay with this happening. why? because if obama stood up and showed real leadership there be consequences...
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dianne feinstein. >> mr. speaker, nancy pelosi, mrs. bush, harry reid, leader mcconnell, secretary of state hillary clinton and my colleagues in government this is a special day to honor a special person in a special place. for many years i have followed tragedies and victories of this uncommonly courageous and persistent woman. in 1988 she quickly rose to be the voice of democracy in burma creating the lead for democracy, elections followed in 1990 when her party won 80% but that joy turned to tragedy and the the military junta and aung san suu kyi spent 3 decades under house arrest unable to visit her dying husband. in 1996 i recall senator bill cohen approaching with senator mccain to sponsor a burma sanction bill, sanctions were put in place in 1997 and only loosened in july of this year. senator mcconnell became one of aung san suu kyi's chief advocates and we continue to work on behalf of the people of burma. in 2003 following an assassination attempt senator mcconnell and i worked to pass an important man the remains in place tod
dianne feinstein. >> mr. speaker, nancy pelosi, mrs. bush, harry reid, leader mcconnell, secretary of state hillary clinton and my colleagues in government this is a special day to honor a special person in a special place. for many years i have followed tragedies and victories of this uncommonly courageous and persistent woman. in 1988 she quickly rose to be the voice of democracy in burma creating the lead for democracy, elections followed in 1990 when her party won 80% but that joy...
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a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much we will get to that and much [ woman ] we knew it was gonna be bad, but never like this. the red cross was down here all the time. [ man ] they've given us a lot of heart. in times of need, they're there. ♪ [ kerry ] my dad was watching his house burn. he turned around, and all of a sudden, therwas this guy standing there from the red cross. at a point where i had just lost everything, the idea that there was someone there... that's an amazing thing. ♪ but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than
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feinstein and lindsay graham. senator graham, how important is it for secretary of state clinton to testify under oath before she leaves office about the benghazi terror attack and what do you think we still need to know about benghazi. >> absolutely essential that she testify. i want to know from the secretary of state's point of view, were you informed of the deteriorating security situation, were all the cables coming out of benghazi, did they ever get up to your level and if they didn't, it is a problem and if they did, why didn't you act differently. it is important to know how the intelligence coming from libya, how it was received, in the state department, so we can learn and correct any mistakes we need to make. >> chris: some of your republican colleagues say they are prepared to hold off the confirmation of john kerry as secretary of state, until secretary clinton testifies as secretary, before she leaves office. >> that will happen, i was told by senator kerry he wants that approach, as you and needs to
feinstein and lindsay graham. senator graham, how important is it for secretary of state clinton to testify under oath before she leaves office about the benghazi terror attack and what do you think we still need to know about benghazi. >> absolutely essential that she testify. i want to know from the secretary of state's point of view, were you informed of the deteriorating security situation, were all the cables coming out of benghazi, did they ever get up to your level and if they...
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willing to go after what feinstein's pushing, dianne feinstein, something on assault weapons. is there something he can go for and win? because it seems to me losing will not get him any points. your thoughts. first of all, david. >> well, i mean, i think he's clearly sort of announced that's the direction he's going to go. look, when you have an event like this, look, i'm very pro second amendment, but when you see something like this occur it causes you to really think through in terms of your beliefs do you continue to hold those beliefs given what happened? i still do. but i think there's -- and obviously the president's going to go a different direction -- >> what's the smart move, snow the magazine size? i'm being grossly -- gross here, but this is the horrible case. how do you stop a person with some mental ability from doing something really, really bad? blake, what can the president do on guns to give himself a point in the history books? >> well, i'll tell you, the first thing is, just because something, you know -- a measure can't solve every single gun case like th
willing to go after what feinstein's pushing, dianne feinstein, something on assault weapons. is there something he can go for and win? because it seems to me losing will not get him any points. your thoughts. first of all, david. >> well, i mean, i think he's clearly sort of announced that's the direction he's going to go. look, when you have an event like this, look, i'm very pro second amendment, but when you see something like this occur it causes you to really think through in terms...
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. >> dianne feinstein has talked a lot about that, but she's tied those 2.1 million people on unemployment benefits of her concern about a contraction, a contraction in this economy that is so fragile right now. are you concerned at all, even though people may not see it or feel it in january, are you concerned about things like consumer confidence and people stopping spending? >> absolutely. in the case of up employment compensation, you're talking about money millions of families will not have. will that have an impact on the economy? certainly. and consumer confidence is a big issue. so i hope that we can avoid going over the cliff. but the republicans in the senate have dominated the negotiations in 2010, 2011, right now we are in a standoff for the middle class. >> senator, always good to see you and thank you for talking with us tonight. >>> american's frustration with congress may well be summarized in this simple statement. in terms of output, the 112th congress has been the least effective in decades. in part, because of the rising influence of the tea party. that's ahead when our
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dianne feinstein doesn't want to see that happen. it's not going to be 250. some number. there's going to be -- i don't know what it's going to be. the floor is at least 400 because that's out there. my guess is, we're going to be in -- i don't want to say, at least 500 and my guess is it's going to happen and pass and -- but here's the thing. you're talking about 8 days of funding for the united states government. >> right. >> medicare -- >> when spending comes in. >> we have a medicare program where people are paying one third of the cost and 20 million more americans will be on it the next ten years and we have yet to deal with that. >> one other thing that the president said during this interview. he was asked about chuck hagel used to be a republican senator, his name has surfaced as a possible secretary of defense. there have been complaints about him, about some votes he made, vis-a-vis iran and comments he made about gays and some other things he said about israel and here was the question from david gregory. . >> do you think disqualify him? >> not that i see. i'
dianne feinstein doesn't want to see that happen. it's not going to be 250. some number. there's going to be -- i don't know what it's going to be. the floor is at least 400 because that's out there. my guess is, we're going to be in -- i don't want to say, at least 500 and my guess is it's going to happen and pass and -- but here's the thing. you're talking about 8 days of funding for the united states government. >> right. >> medicare -- >> when spending comes in. >>...
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feinstein, pat leahy, carl levin, max baucus and depending on how you pars the statement, senator jack reed. why are your colleagues holding back and what are you doing to push them on this issue? >> recognize, this is an institution, the senate, that rarely changes its rules. so folks have been here often for very long time saying, well, we can always make a gentleman's agreement to make this place work. we score the social contrast. that would be ideal and certainly if these rules worked in the past why can't they work today. so there are folks reluctant to change them saying the better thing is to restore the social contrast. quite frankly, we've tried that. the minority leader and the democratic leader worked out a gentleman's agreement two years ago. it failed utterly. it's just clear, we're not in the same world. >> sir, how do you define failure? >> well, we failed in the sense that it was supposed to eliminate these huge number of filibusters and allow us to get an agenda on the floor. no longer have the blocking of bills before we get to the floor and to greatly expedite nomin
feinstein, pat leahy, carl levin, max baucus and depending on how you pars the statement, senator jack reed. why are your colleagues holding back and what are you doing to push them on this issue? >> recognize, this is an institution, the senate, that rarely changes its rules. so folks have been here often for very long time saying, well, we can always make a gentleman's agreement to make this place work. we score the social contrast. that would be ideal and certainly if these rules...
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is dushing, dianne feinstein, something on assault weapons. is there something he can go for and win because it seems to me losing will not get him any points. your thoughts? >> i think he's clearly announced that's the direction he's going to go. look, when you have an event like this, i'm very pro second amendment but when you see something like this occur it causes you to think through in terms of your beliefs, do you continues to hold those beliefs given what happened. i still do and obviously the president is going -- >> what's the smart move though? is it magazine side, mental health and -- >> i just got to it. i would suggest where he can make some significant process is the mental health side of it. when you look at what happens to gabby giffords, at virginia tech. >> gif me john hinckley. >>hinkley? >> john hikley, as well. and there he can make some significant process. when you look at some of these situations, the person clearly was troubled. >> now how do you stop a guy that wants to shoot his mother to get her guns. it's hard to
is dushing, dianne feinstein, something on assault weapons. is there something he can go for and win because it seems to me losing will not get him any points. your thoughts? >> i think he's clearly announced that's the direction he's going to go. look, when you have an event like this, i'm very pro second amendment but when you see something like this occur it causes you to think through in terms of your beliefs, do you continues to hold those beliefs given what happened. i still do and...
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but chair woman of the senate intelligence committee california senator dianne feinstein saying the law is important to our national security and must classified. meanwhile, another potential below to -- blow to the economy has been averted at least for now. dock workers agreeing to hold off on a strike that would cost the u.s. economy billions of dollars thanks to a temporary contract extension. the workers now have another five weeks to work out their labor dispute with port owners and shippers. phil keating following the story in our south florida newsroom. boy, phil, this affected ports from giewrch houston. how did these two sides get together? >> well, they did what congress has failed to do. that is they worked out a deal. but since this deal is still not entirely permanent. neither side is giving specifics as who who bundle and if both sides bundle and how much. the key sticking point all along has been the long shoreman get paid more the heavier a container is the owners of the shipping company wanted those capped. the longer shore men did not. this from the federal mediator in
but chair woman of the senate intelligence committee california senator dianne feinstein saying the law is important to our national security and must classified. meanwhile, another potential below to -- blow to the economy has been averted at least for now. dock workers agreeing to hold off on a strike that would cost the u.s. economy billions of dollars thanks to a temporary contract extension. the workers now have another five weeks to work out their labor dispute with port owners and...
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you had that for ten years when dianne feinstein passed that ban in '92. it was on the books. columbine occurred right in the middle of it. it didn't make any difference. >> here with me now is james florio, former democratic governor of new jersey, now senior fellow for public policy and administration at rutgers university. thank you very much for being here with us today. >> thank you. >> were you one of the first -- you were the first governor in the country to pass an assault weapons ban. that was back in 1990. what do you upon hearing these claims from the nra after the latest school shooting? >> well, the nra just works from the assumption that a small cadre of people like them that are really true believers and committed can overwhelm the public interest. what we have to do sen gage the general public, get them involved and get them informed and that can prevail. the big problem is there's too many guns and he's arguing we should have more guns in the school and everything else. doesn't make a whole lot of sense. they also work with the assumption that when the public
you had that for ten years when dianne feinstein passed that ban in '92. it was on the books. columbine occurred right in the middle of it. it didn't make any difference. >> here with me now is james florio, former democratic governor of new jersey, now senior fellow for public policy and administration at rutgers university. thank you very much for being here with us today. >> thank you. >> were you one of the first -- you were the first governor in the country to pass an...
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i reached out to joe crowley and congressman manzullo and my friends dianne feinstein, john mccain, and mitch mcconnell. i went to see senator mcconnell in his office. i said, "mitch, what do you think about seeing whether there is any opening whatsoever?" and i was so pleased when he said, "well, let's give it a try. let's be careful. let's proceed judiciously." on the way out of his office, he stopped and showed me a letter from suu kyi to him. we knew that at some point change would have to come, but whether it would be a year, a decade, or longer, no one could predict. but very carefully, in close consultation with the congress, we began sending assistant secretary campbell and then now-ambassador derek mitchell in let's be careful. the position created by the congress of special envoy, listening, probing, seeing whether there was something happening. and slowly change started. and of course, when the house arrest was finally lifted and the voice of this remarkable woman could be heard more broadly, we knew that the united states had to be not only supporting the change, but careful
i reached out to joe crowley and congressman manzullo and my friends dianne feinstein, john mccain, and mitch mcconnell. i went to see senator mcconnell in his office. i said, "mitch, what do you think about seeing whether there is any opening whatsoever?" and i was so pleased when he said, "well, let's give it a try. let's be careful. let's proceed judiciously." on the way out of his office, he stopped and showed me a letter from suu kyi to him. we knew that at some point...
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you had that for ten years when dianne feinstein passed that ban in '94. it was on the books. columbine occurred right in the middle of it. it didn't make any difference. i know this town wants to argue about gun control. i don't think it's what will work. >> adam lanza may not have been able to shoot as many people if he didn't have such ammunition? >> i don't buy that argument. >> it's not possible? >> so many different ways he could have done it. endless amount of ways a monster can do it. >> joining me now is one mom who is taking on the nra, shannon watts, founder of one million moms for gun control. a big welcome to you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> i know you've studied this issue in depth. so i knew you were listening there to wayne lapierre. what's your reaction to what he just said? >> well, i think a commonsense question is why are we asking someone who profits from the proliferation of guns and ammunition to give us advice on how we can be better protected from guns? it's just not common sense. it's a little bit like the fox guarding the henhouse. as mom
you had that for ten years when dianne feinstein passed that ban in '94. it was on the books. columbine occurred right in the middle of it. it didn't make any difference. i know this town wants to argue about gun control. i don't think it's what will work. >> adam lanza may not have been able to shoot as many people if he didn't have such ammunition? >> i don't buy that argument. >> it's not possible? >> so many different ways he could have done it. endless amount of...
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dianne feinstein, the democrat who chairs the senate intelligence committee, warned that shedding more light on who is being surveilled would you wo destroy the wire tapping program which she says has worked well. >> in four years, 100 arrests to prevent something from happening in the united states. some of which comes from this program. so i think it's a vital program. >> conservative analyst says a wide dragnet is worth the cost. >> let's suppose you're a pakistani, you don't have your green card, you call your uncle, yes, you could get caught up and maybe if he's a member of the taliban there's going to be somebody in the federal government who thinks we need to ask some questions of this person. >> but if you're the person here talking to the uncle and you're caught up in this -- >> you're not caught up in the sense that you're going to jail, in the sense that anything bad is going to happen to you. >> but there are concerns about that. civil libertarian julian sanchez points out that the national security agency which does most of this surveillance has a massive new data center i
dianne feinstein, the democrat who chairs the senate intelligence committee, warned that shedding more light on who is being surveilled would you wo destroy the wire tapping program which she says has worked well. >> in four years, 100 arrests to prevent something from happening in the united states. some of which comes from this program. so i think it's a vital program. >> conservative analyst says a wide dragnet is worth the cost. >> let's suppose you're a pakistani, you...
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the senior senator from california dianne feinstein, she expected her to testify. we'll have to see. ed henry, thank you. fox news alert, it's about weather. the northeast digging out after the second winter storm in less tan a week. southern new england hardest hit by the latest round with up to a foot of snow reported there. nearly five inches falling across pennsylvania and officials imposed a 45 mile per hour speed limit on the pennsylvania turnpike. many passengers travelling between the christmas and new years holiday find themselves stranded, again. accord to go flight stats.com, about a hundred flights canceled today alone, more than 1500 have been delayed. and it's the one-two punch was not enough, bitterly cold temperatures are now moving into the region and i mean cold. it's going to feel like winter. accu-weather meteorologist jim dickey to tell us more, jim? >> yeah, good evening, harris, this storm incredible yelled. rapidly striking its way up the coast and brought a swath of snow. and up to 20 inches from the storm and now across the region, not muc
the senior senator from california dianne feinstein, she expected her to testify. we'll have to see. ed henry, thank you. fox news alert, it's about weather. the northeast digging out after the second winter storm in less tan a week. southern new england hardest hit by the latest round with up to a foot of snow reported there. nearly five inches falling across pennsylvania and officials imposed a 45 mile per hour speed limit on the pennsylvania turnpike. many passengers travelling between the...
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we're seeing dianne feinstein there on the senate floor. it is vacant on the house side. so in truth how much is really going to get done? >> well, gregg, a lot of this negotiations are really taking place between the leadership levels right now. we don't really have to worry about what is happening on the house floor. it's about what is going on at the white house. now, the president today is going to meet with congressional leaders from both parties, both chambers. they will sit down. they will talk about a potential deal. the president might offer something that maybe the republicans could go for. it wouldn't be a sweeping deal. gregg: like what? >> might be something smaller. well, it would be something that could potentially avoid the major tax hikes coming in january. that is the most politically treacherous for these members. they need to find a way to stop taxes going up for everybody. if there is a deal it will probably focus on the range of taxes that are coming. gregg: susan, the house passed a bill that extends all the tax cuts. the senate passed a bill that e
we're seeing dianne feinstein there on the senate floor. it is vacant on the house side. so in truth how much is really going to get done? >> well, gregg, a lot of this negotiations are really taking place between the leadership levels right now. we don't really have to worry about what is happening on the house floor. it's about what is going on at the white house. now, the president today is going to meet with congressional leaders from both parties, both chambers. they will sit down....
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dianne feinstein, the democrat who chairs the senate intelligence committee, warned that shedding more light on who's being surveiled would destroy the wiretapping program which she says has worked well. >> four years, 100 arrest it prevent something from happening in -- arrests to prevent something from happening in the united states, some of which comes from this program. so i think it's a vital program. >> reporter: conservative analyst cliff may says a wide dragnet is worth the cost. >> let's suppose you were a pakistani immigrant here. you don't have your green card yet. you call your uncle in lahor, yes, you could get caught up. maybe your uncle is just a tailor. if he's a member of the taliban, maybe it's true that somebody think we need to ask questions of this person. >> reporter: if you're talking to the uncle in lahor and you're innocent, you're still caught up -- >> you're not caught up in the sense that you're going to jail. you're not caught up in the sense that anything bad is going to happen to you. >> that was brian todd reporting. >>> they're the littlest pawns in a p
dianne feinstein, the democrat who chairs the senate intelligence committee, warned that shedding more light on who's being surveiled would destroy the wiretapping program which she says has worked well. >> four years, 100 arrest it prevent something from happening in -- arrests to prevent something from happening in the united states, some of which comes from this program. so i think it's a vital program. >> reporter: conservative analyst cliff may says a wide dragnet is worth the...